Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2002 7:28 pm Post subject: Daniel
Daniel is not meant to be understood with just the Bible. Somewhere in the last few chapters (12 I think) it says that the book of Daniel would be sealed up until the last days.
Therefore, there is some way, made available during the times before Jesus Second Coming, that will assist in our understanding of Daniel.
As for the 144,000 - they are all men, they are not a mixture of the righteous men and women chosen to enter heaven (as some suppose), but are rather, an elect group of men (priesthood holders no doubt) that will assist the Lord with the administration of His kingdom on earth. _________________ "knit together in love"
Therefore, there is some way, made available during the times before Jesus Second Coming, that will assist in our understanding of Daniel.
RedAngel wrote:
I 'm pretty sure Daniel's full interpretation is just about due to come.
RedAngel, could you list some of the most baffling and mysterious things in the book of Daniel that you don’t understand and for which you believe more light is about to come?
Tho facinating and appealing deep study of Daniel is, it seems to me a mute point to try and "unlock" and sealed book until God Himself decides when we are to understand its full meaning.
Daniel 12:4 says the book of Daniel would be sealed "even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased"
To claim a prophetic understanding of all of Daniel before the Lord's time.... is .. well.. dangerous. _________________ "knit together in love"
I was being nice to RedAngel because she isn’t an Adventist. If you noticed, she didn’t have an answer for when we should expect to start understanding Daniel.
As for the 144,000 - they are all men, they are not a mixture of the righteous men and women chosen to enter heaven (as some suppose), but are rather, an elect group of men (priesthood holders no doubt) that will assist the Lord with the administration of His kingdom on earth.
From KJV:
Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed a hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
Rev 7:5 Of the tribe of Judah were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:6 Of the tribe of Aser... Of the tribe of Naphtali...Of the tribe of Manasses...
...Of the tribe of Simeon... Of the tribe of Levi...Of the tribe of Issachar...Of the tribe of Zebulun...Of the tribe of Joseph...were sealed twelve thousand. (EDITED FOR SIZE)
Hmmm...
Does the number "144,000" represent an elect group of people,
or is it a figurative number that demonstrated fullness?
I think the latter.
Look at it.
12 x 12 x 1000.
12 times 12. The perfect square.
Made all the more perfect and vast by multiplying by 1000.
A huge number - but not an infinite number - which demonstrates that although the hope is to save ALL - some will no doubt be left behind.
The finite nature of the number doesn't suggest to me that the number of "saved" will be limited or constrained by God's choice, or reserved for the learned or priveliged.
On the contrary - It represents a vast number that would suggest that the number to be saved is great, though not unlimited, and that the choice is our's.
A point that is stressed here :
Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Rev 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
Revelation is one of my favorite books as well.
Hopefully this will give us plenty to talk about. (Understatement!!)
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I thought this was the time of the end, as of 1844