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The writings of lilianacerchez

Post by lilianacerchez » Tue Jul 01, 2014 9:40 am

The closed door for the sda was in 2010 when she celebrate 150 years of his fondation. The next 150 years to the coming of Christ, the sda church have not something positive to play in the last days confrontation with the evil.
But from where we take these last 150 years? From all the Prophets and Hosea 3:1-3.
The first 150 years represents 3 days of jubile, that is 3x50, and the last 150 years are represented by 3 days of jubile (Lev 25:9,10).
These 3 days are formed by 2 days and 1 day. The first 2 days of the last 3 days are represented in the Bible by the words, "the days are comming" of Jeremie and the Prophets, and the 1 day are "the day of the Lord" of Isaiah and the rest of the prophecies of the OT.
The NT too, talk us of these 3 last days; For exemple, of the first 2 days (of the last 3 days), "For, behold, the days are coming" Luke 23:28,29, and of the last day, "the Day of the Lord", 2 Peter 3: 10.
The fact that the days of the expresion of the Bible, "the days are coming" are precisely 2 days are made plane by Hosea 6:1-3, precisely verse 2: "After two days he will revive us, in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight." The words, "two days" are in the hebrew original language, "m imim", that is, from days, that is, from (two) days. Another argument in the texte is the words, "in the third day", that mean that the total of days, we're talking about, are 3. Soo, the last days are composed by the time of "the days are coming" and "the Day of the Lord, that is 2 days plus 1 day=3 days, all of these composed by 50 years each.
We come at the conclusion that the terme of the 3 days, are 150 years after the year 2010, as it was said above, that is the year 2160. This year represents the coming of the Lord, after the Prophets of the Bible.

The fact that are 300 years of preparation of the people of God for the coming of the Lord are represented in the life of Enoch Gen 5:22-24, that is the type of the sda. This preparation take 10 generations of 30 years, soo, 10x30=300 years.
In conclusion, the time of grace of the sda church are composed by two periods, the first 150 years, 5 generations, that is completed in 2010, and the second period of 150 years, 5 generations, that is completed in 2160.

These explanations are something kind a complicated, but studied with paper and pencil and the Bible become quite simple.

But, who are the sda of the last days? This is not the sda church, but they that "keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus", and "have the testimony of Jesus... the testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy". Rev 14:12 ; 19:10
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Re: The Coming Purification of the Seventh-day Adventist Chu

Post by lilianacerchez » Tue Jul 01, 2014 5:26 pm

The scenes described on the chapitre "The seal of God" by EGW refers at two events distincts in time: the judgement of the sda church, that is allready done, and the time of the end of grace for an world that profess the christian faith, that is to come in the future. For we know that the judgement of the people of God must precede that of the world. And this judgement is allready done.
Even if the events of the judgement of the sda church are allready in the near past, this event is the one that interests us today as adventists. For we must know what is now exactly the condition of sda church before God, and what position must have today the keeper of God's commandments. The answer is clear given by the study of Ez 9.
The main questions of this texte are: who are the 5 man, what represents : the destroying weapons and the work of the man in linen.
The 5 man come from the N, that is Babilon (catholic church). So, their destroying weapons are catholic teachings. They are Jesuites dressed in neo-protestants. Their destruction is the spiritual death of the leaders and then of the people. We see today even that in sda church (and not only in the sda, but in all christian churches). The result of these teachings on the spirit of the sda church members is the Babilonian bondage, worse than the condition of ancient Israel in the captivity physics. The result of these wounds is the spiritual death.
The man in linen represents the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy with their work on the heart of the believer.
The teaching for us today is that we must receive the faith of Jesus and the love of truth that is in the Bible and SP.
"O ye children of Benjamin, gather yourselves to flee out of the midst of Jerusalem...for evil appeareth out of the north and great destruction!" Jer 6:1
God preserve us!

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The church is not the bride of Christ

Post by lilianacerchez » Sat Jul 05, 2014 3:16 pm

Dear brother, you say that,"the church is the bride of Christ", and is the understanding of the topic in all christendom. But this popular comprehension is not supported by the Bible. The bride of Christ in the Revelation is the Holy Jerusalem, in that sense that is the people that lives permanently there. Jerusalem is a mother. It is truth that all redemed ones will visit the Holy City, but only a special category, the most important servants of Christ will compose with Himself the government of God. This will be the head of the kingdom of heaven for all the ages. The people of God will live on the rest of the new earth. The sacrificed Lamb with his Wife, will rule on the all universe for ever. This is that the Bible teaches on the subject.
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Re: The church is not the bride of Christ

Post by CTC » Sat Jul 05, 2014 5:47 pm

lilianacerchez wrote:Dear brother, you say that,"the church is the bride of Christ",
No, Zog didn't say that. Those were not his words. He was critiquing fundamental SDA beliefs. However, Paul wrote:

Ephesians 5
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.


And John wrote:

Revelation 19
7 Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.” 8 And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
9 Then he said to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!’”


Try putting these two verses together.

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Re: The writings of lilianacerchez

Post by Eugene Shubert » Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:11 pm

Dear lilianacerchez,

I read your claim of "new light" and noticed immediately that it contradicts Adventist beliefs. EGW said that there never again will be a message based on time.

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Re: The writings of lilianacerchez

Post by lilianacerchez » Tue Jul 08, 2014 3:52 am

Dear CTC,
I dont know very well the Forum and i dont find now the article of Zog, but he textualy said that. He, himself, can tell us.
You too, try to tell us, indirectly, by your quotations of the Bible, that the entire church is the Bride, so is?
Thanks, Cerchez. God bless!

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Re: The writings of lilianacerchez

Post by lilianacerchez » Tue Jul 08, 2014 4:02 am

Dear Eugene,
Can you quote, for us all, the exactly and completely text, and more other, if you please? Thank you very much!
God give us His light in, by the Bible and SP, for His own glory!

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Re: The church is not the bride of Christ

Post by Zog Has-fallen » Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:49 am

CTC wrote:
lilianacerchez wrote:Dear brother, you say that,"the church is the bride of Christ",
No, Zog didn't say that. Those were not his words. He was critiquing fundamental SDA beliefs.
That is correct. I was commenting on what I called showcase doctrines, not my beliefs, in the thread, I Want To Be Disfellowshipped From The SDA Church.

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Re: The writings of lilianacerchez

Post by Eugene Shubert » Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:56 pm

lilianacerchez wrote:Dear Eugene,
Can you quote, for us all, the exactly and completely text, and more other, if you please?
Yes.

A Caution Against Time-Setting Expressions

The times and seasons God has put in His own power. And why has not God given us this knowledge?-- Because we would not make a right use of it if He did. A condition of things would result from this knowledge among our people that would greatly retard the work of God in preparing a people to stand in the great day that is to come. We are not to be engrossed with speculations in regard to the times and the seasons which God has not revealed. Jesus has told His disciples to "watch," but not for definite time. His followers are to be in the position of those who are listening for the orders of their Captain; they are to watch, wait, pray, and work, as they approach the time for the coming of the Lord; but no one will be able to predict just when that time will come; for "of that day and hour knoweth no man." You will not be able to say that He will come in one, two, or five years, neither are you to put off His coming by stating that it may not be for ten or twenty years. . . . We are not to know the definite time either for the outpouring of the Holy Spirit or for the coming of Christ.--Review and Herald, March 22, 1892. {Ev 221.1}

The Disciples Ask Christ About His Return

Christ's words [Matthew 24:2] had been spoken in the hearing of a large number of people, but when He was alone, Peter, John, James, and Andrew came to Him as He sat upon the Mount of Olives. "Tell us," they said, "when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the end of the world?" {LDE 32.1}

Jesus did not answer His disciples by taking up separately the destruction of Jerusalem and the great day of His coming. He mingled the description of these two events. Had He opened to His disciples future events as He beheld them, they would have been unable to endure the sight. In mercy to them He blended the description of the two great crises, leaving the disciples to study out the meaning for themselves.--DA 628 (1898). {LDE 32.2}

Time of Christ's Return Not Known

Many who have called themselves Adventists have been time-setters. Time after time has been set for Christ to come, but repeated failures have been the result. The definite time of our Lord's coming is declared to be beyond the ken of mortals. Even the angels, who minister unto those who shall be heirs of salvation, know not the day nor the hour. "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but My Father only."--4T 307 (1879). {LDE 32.3}

We are not to know the definite time either for the outpouring of the Holy Spirit or for the coming of Christ. . . . Why has not God given us this knowledge?--Because we would not make a right use of it if He did. A condition of things would result from this knowledge among our people that would greatly retard the work of God in preparing a people to stand in the great day that is to come. We are not to live upon time excitement. . . . {LDE 33.1}

You will not be able to say that He will come in one, two, or five years, neither are you to put off His coming by stating that it may not be for ten or twenty years.--RH March 22, 1892. {LDE 33.2}

We are nearing the great day of God. The signs are fulfilling. And yet we have no message to tell us of the day and hour of Christ's appearing. The Lord has wisely concealed this from us that we may always be in a state of expectancy and preparation for the second appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ in the clouds of heaven.--Letter 28, 1897. {LDE 33.3}

The exact time of the second coming of the Son of man is God's mystery.--DA 633 (1898). {LDE 33.4}

Ours Is Not a Time-setting Message

We are not of that class who define the exact period of time that shall elapse before the coming of Jesus the second time with power and great glory. Some have set a time, and when that has passed, their presumptuous spirits have not accepted rebuke, but they have set another and another time. But many successive failures have stamped them as false prophets.--FE 335 (1895). {LDE 34.1}

God gives no man a message that it will be five years or ten years or twenty years before this earth's history shall close. He would not give any living being an excuse for delaying the preparation for His appearing. He would have no one say, as did the unfaithful servant, "My lord delayeth his coming," for this leads to reckless neglect of the opportunities and privileges given to prepare us for that great day.--RH Nov. 27, 1900. {LDE 34.2}

Time-setting Leads to Unbelief

Because the times repeatedly set have passed, the world is in a more decided state of unbelief than before in regard to the near advent of Christ. They look upon the failures of the time-setters with disgust, and because men have been so deceived, they turn from the truth substantiated by the Word of God that the end of all things is at hand.--4T 307 (1879). {LDE 34.3}

I understand that Brother [E. P.] Daniels has, as it were, set time, stating that the Lord will come within five years. Now I hope the impression will not go abroad that we are time-setters. Let no such remarks be made. They do no good. Seek not to obtain a revival upon any such grounds, but let due caution be used in every word uttered, that fanatical ones will not seize anything they can get to create an excitement and the Spirit of the Lord be grieved. {LDE 34.4}

We want not to move the people's passions to get up a stir, where feelings are moved and principle does not control. I feel that we need to be guarded on every side, because Satan is at work to do his uttermost to insinuate his arts and devices that shall be a power to do harm. Anything that will make a stir, create an excitement on a wrong basis, is to be dreaded, for the reaction will surely come.--Letter 34, 1887. {LDE 35.1}

There will always be false and fanatical movements made by persons in the church who claim to be led of God--those who will run before they are sent and will give day and date for the occurrence of unfulfilled prophecy. The enemy is pleased to have them do this, for their successive failures and leading into false lines cause confusion and unbelief.--2SM 84 (1897). {LDE 35.2}

No Time Prophecy Beyond 1844

I plainly stated at the Jackson camp meeting to these fanatical parties that they were doing the work of the adversary of souls; they were in darkness. They claimed to have great light that probation would close in October, 1884. I there stated in public that the Lord had been pleased to show me that there would be no definite time in the message given of God since 1844.--2SM 73 (1885). {LDE 35.3}

Our position has been one of waiting and watching, with no time-proclamation to intervene between the close of the prophetic periods in 1844 and the time of our Lord's coming.--10MR 270 (1888). {LDE 36.1}

The people will not have another message upon definite time. After this period of time [Revelation 10:4-6], reaching from 1842 to 1844, there can be no definite tracing of the prophetic time. The longest reckoning reaches to the autumn of 1844.--7BC 971 (1900). {LDE 36.2}

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Re: The writings of lilianacerchez

Post by lilianacerchez » Tue Jul 08, 2014 5:40 pm

Dear brother,
we thank you for your quick response! We will try to give our point of view of these quotes of EGW, even if the english is not at all my native language; i love yet for is the SP language.
But firstly, in the light of these texts, let us ask : EGW wrote all that she knew, or Jesus discovered for her some things that she have not right to reveals to the church in his time? Can we, in the light of these, to read something between the lines? Something that is perfectly in agreement with an clear, "Thus said the Lord"?
Something like of the apostle Paul,
"How that he was caught into paradise and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for man to utter. And lest i should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest i should be exalted above mesure." 2 Cor 12:4,7 In other words, he received things that he have not the right yet to reveals even to the church. And for not to became pride and boast by reveal that secret things, he was humbled by some suffering.
Like Jesus too, when He said, "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth is come, He will guide you into all truth : for He shall not speak of Himself, but whatsoever He shall hear shall He speak, and He will shew you things to come. He shall glorify Me, for He shall receive of Mine and shall shew unto you." John16:12-14
Let us ask : EGW knew about the complete and irreversible apostasy of sda church, as a system? She knew that Ez 9 is the clear representation of the judgement of sda by false teachings from the catholic church?
Let us ask : can we say that these above has nothing to do with "times and seasons God has put in His own power"? Ev 221.1
All depends on how we respond to these questions. If your answer, dear brother, is definitely YES, we can give ours point of view on these beautifull texts. It's your turn.
Thanks. God bless you!

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Re: A Commentary on Philippians 2:6

Post by lilianacerchez » Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:47 am

"Who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped" This translate well the greek original text. For only a divine being can in the right way judge these things. Is of greater importance for us the verse before : "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus". For only by the Spirit of Christ we can rightly apreciate spiritual things.The carnal mind have no power to discern things that are too high.
Thanks God for give us the mind of Christ!

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Re: The writings of lilianacerchez

Post by Eugene Shubert » Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:24 am

lilianacerchez wrote:If your answer, dear brother, is definitely YES, we can give ours point of view on these beautifull texts. It's your turn.
My answer, most definitely, is that Jesus said even the angels don't know the time of the end so you must think of yourself as smarter than the angels.
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Re: The writings of lilianacerchez

Post by lilianacerchez » Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:54 am

"But this people hath a revolting and a rebellious heart, they are revolted and gone.
Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the Lord our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter rain in his season : he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest.
Your iniquities have turned away these , and your sins have withholden these goods from you."
Holy Sabbath!

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